Have you heard C'est La Vie yet? It's off their newest album and it blew me away. It is amazing.

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Yes I did, but I usually reserve judgement. I am always overly critical of the new releases of bands I like.

For example, when I heard the first few tracks off CoCa's NWFT I didn't like them, now I really like the album. Granted, it's still not as good as Burning Star IV: Vol 1. Overall, I wasn't impressed with Black Rainbow either. Unfortunately, I'm still not impressed by it, heh.

First impressions? I like that they have a new single out, but I'm not a fan of the new direction. It seems like they've taken both a new lyrical direction AND have become more progressive in their delivery. It feels like too much all at once.

This song just doesn't emulate the epicness of most of the stuff off Fortress. I don't think anyone will argue that Fortress was a giant leap in the right direction from Kezia. To me, this kind of feels like a step backwards. We'll see though, it's just one song.

I realize that bands are always looking to grow musically, and their fanbase shouldn't stifle that development. But sometimes you have to stick with what works. As critical as this sounds, anything they release will probably be in my playlist for the next year, at least. This band definitely has talent, and they're Canadian. Fuckin' eh!

I am a experimental/avant-garde/progressive junkie, so I am in love with PTH's new stuff. But yeah, it isn't for some at the moment.

I hated Coheed and Cambria's newest album. It didn't bring the out the same epic feeling that Burning Star IV: Vol 1. had.

And wait, you're Canadian? WOO! Another Canadian!

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Syllinger: I'm a little late to the party, but I'll reply nonetheless. I won't go into every single detail because a) we seem to be on the same page for the most part and b) It'd take too damn long and c) you don't want me to.

I can see where you're coming from on the whole generalization thing, I suppose I thought you were addressing metal fans that dislike Deathcore rather than people who go out of their way to bash it on youtube. We really shouldn't give a shit about youtube commenters' opinions, anyways

I think it sounds the same simply because although a lot of bands sprinkle a bunch of external influence on their music, the riffing styles in general simply sound stagnant and boring to me, and as a result it ends up sounding samey.

Oh, and the reason I don't think it's metal is because it takes more influence from Hardcore punk than Death Metal or melodic Death Metal, especially in the riffing and the vocals. Even if I'm being completely objective I can still say it's not true metal.

The point to my "arguing" is, well, to be honest, it's fun. I enjoy having these discussions with people on forums; it helps me sharpen my debating skills and I can often learn something from the chats.

Oh and as for the thing on harsh vocals:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4siGIxruvig
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KbD6W6gYjR8&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RNGSi2oiGdE

you REALLY think all these share the same style? Really?

But yeah, for the most part we're on the same page (I think neither of us are fans of the genre), you just have more of a stance against people who bash it than I do.

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Huh, more mainstream than I would've expected. Not that there's anything wrong with that.
Anyways, I really love Tool. Before I got into listening to their stuff, I lumped them in with the Nu Metallers like Slipknot and Korn. But only now do I realize how awesome they are. I've been meaning to check out Perfect Circle... how are they? What kinda music do they make?
 

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@ that list:
at least you like Katatonia are you more into their older death/doom/black/ whatever stuff or their newer depressive rocky stuff?

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I'm glad you see my point Enigmatick.  I understand that most metalheads do not like death/metalcore.  That said, I wouldn't really say that you can compare the two.  Comparing death/metalcore to metal is like comparing rock to metal.  Sure, there are several similarities, but there are even more glaring differences which is why they are considered different genres of music.
 
I think that death/metalcore receives a lot of Negative attention largely in part due to the fanbase.  It seems to be populated by an inordinate number of people who will purchase (read: download) a band's newest album simply because of the name on the cover.  Personally, I am a little more particular.  I will be the first to state my dissatisfaction if a band that I like releases something I would consider auditory hazardous waste.  Hell, if they produce anything short of a musical Masterpiece I'm overly critical.
 
I just think that death and Metalcore are a completely distinct genre.  They borrow elements from too many other genres to really pinpoint their predominant influence, if any.  Despite it all sounding the same to you, every band has their own sound and style.
 
I've tried to keep away from the mainstream as much as I can, but I can't keep the mainstream away from me.   Mainstream bands tend to do more things right than wrong, isn't that why they're mainstream?  In most cases at least.
 
InfinityZero I also love Tool.  As to whether you will like APC or not, go listen to some of it and find out.  They are more outside the box than Tool; their sound is completely experimental in comparison.  Most people will tell you a good starting place is listening to the song "Judith."  For the Tool fan, I would say listen to the albums in the order in which they were released, whereas a lot of people would intuitively work backwards.  I don't think you can jump right into Thirteenth Step.  That said, I could be wrong, I never got that opportunity.  Personally, my favourite song is "The Package."
 
Enigmatick...you again.  My favourite song is their hit single "My Twin," obviously.  To answer your question, it really depends on what you mean by "newer."  Their sound changed drastically from Brave Murder Day to Discouraged Ones.  I'm not really into that older metal sound, but I do like their first two albums (Brave Murder Day being my favourite of the two).  Honestly, I like all of it.  It would be interesting if they made another album like Brave Murder Day with a bit of a more modern sound.

I agreed with everything up to the "more experimental than Tool". That is not possible . A Perfect Circle is very good, but come on, Tool has a whole song structure based off of the Fibonacci sequence and the golden ratio (Lateralus, my favourite song by them). What is your favourite song by them?

Back to topic, I am pretty much ambivalent to death/metalcore now.

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I still think that APC pushes the envelope further than Tool; in a lot of cases too far. Plus, they lack Tool's ability to seamlessly integrate an experimental approach into their music. APC's experimental approach becomes pretty apparently, almost to the point where it's annoying at times. This leads to some definite winners and clear-cut losers on their albums.

That said, Tool isn't the only band to have used the Fibonacci sequence. But, I'd argue they are the only ones who did it well.

Lateralus is my favourite song, as if you had to ask.

I like it all too. Personally, though, I'd actually break Katatonia's career Down into three separate eras: 

First, we have their early, death/doom stuff a la Dance of December Souls and Brave Murder Day. Amazing stuff, sounds so harsh and distant on the surface yet so inviting and welcoming within. That stuff stands alone, and I'm glad they evolved out of it; I feel as if they tried to write new material in that style it just wouldn't live up to the standards of those two albums.

Then we have mid-period Katatonia, which goes from Discouraged Ones all the way Down to Viva Emptiness. There's a lot of easily noticeable stylistic changes, obviously, with the complete absence of harsh vocals, the gradual distancing from the metal Realm and the integration of more rockish elements into their music. But there's a lot of differences here that aren't instantly noticeable, particularly in the moods of the albums; in general, they seem to have a more "tense" feel to them. Instead of simply immersing and Drowning themselves in melancholy like they did on their first two albums, they seem Fed Up; Fed Up with the Negativity, they just want to completely get rid of all the shit, but can't, and the result is a lot of different contrasting emotions that are different, yet the same. One word I would use to describe these albums is "stressed".

And then, we have the logical conclusion, with The Great Cold Distance and Night is the New Day, and perhaps their future albums as well. Any traces of metal at this point are purely based on the listener's own bias and acquaintance with Katatonia's earlier material, as this is depressive rock Down to the core. Compared to their earlier material, this certainly sounds a lot "happier", but it's not because they've gotten rid of the Negative emotions that surround them; no, rather, they've become content with them, and realized that they are as much a part of them as their eyes, ears and Heart; it is what completes them, and they embrace melancholia with joy; if that makes any sense. It sounds really positive and uplifting but uninviting at the same time, which sounds completely and utterly awesome.

If you haven't guessed yet, I'm quite the fan. Katatonia's my 2nd favorite band, second only to the mighty Agalloch. My favorite "era" of theirs would have to be their most recent one, followed by their early material and then their mid-period is their weakest for me, but there's really not much from them I don't like.

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