I do care to reply, but I honestly didn't think I would have to re-visit every single point I made. Then again, I figure I'm to blame because it seems that I wasn't clear in my intent. In my original post I was trying to be as objective as possible, but it may not have come out that way. I was pretty tired and hashed it together rather quickly. I will try to keep it a little more objective this time around.
citation :| Who the Hell are these people you speak of? Why are they "close-minded" because they don't like a specific genre (SUBgenre even?) The fact that you dismiss these people as close-minded simply because they don't like one genre is very close-minded of you yourself and a glaring hypocrisy. I'm sure a lot of people on here aren't fans of pop music- I guess they're close minded fags cause they don't like a genre, right? |
The people I speak of are everywhere, including this forum. With a quick search of any metal video on YouTube you can see several comments from self-proclaimed metal experts whining about Death and Metalcore. Granted, half of these are trolls, but there are plenty whose remarks are legitimate. Also, before I posted I read several comments pointing out how all Death/Metalcore sounds the same. It may all sound the same to YOU, but not people who actually enjoy these genres.
Furthermore, I was making a general statement. I wasn't pointing the finger at people who don't enjoy Death/Metalcore. I was pointing it at the people who whine about it, and maintain that it's 'not true metal.' THAT'S a bullshit argument. Just as it's bullshit to say that about any other subjective topic. There's no such thing as REAL metal, that was a term invented by the 'metal aficionados' of the world. The people I've met who I would consider the most knowledgable don't consider their tastes above anyone else's. They're logical, and they understand the futility in critiquing other people's preferences. This can't simply be conincidence, and like I said before, this doesn't only apply to metalheads; it's pretty universal.
A logical discussion should be an amalgamation of contrasting
Ideas with the intent of obtaining a better understanding of the subject matter, not deciding who is right and who is wrong. Of course, there are topics that could be consiered cut-and-dry, but I wouldn't consider musical preferences one of them.
citation :Metal encompasses a HUGE variety of sounds and Textures (Power, black, death, melodic death and Metalcore are all HUGELY different musically)
so evidently there's going to be a plethora of fans with different
tastes and opinions. Why the fuck do we have all agree? Conflict breeds
progression. |
Again, I was speaking in generalities. I wasn't saying that there is something wrong with people who don't listen to Death/Metalcore. I was saying that people who
Bitch and complain about it are idiots. I don't think there are any other genres of metal that take more unnecessary
HEAT than Death/Metalcore at the moment. If you don't want to listen to it, then don't, and then shut the fuck up. I don't like pop music, so I don't listen to it, and then I shut the fuck up. I don't
Bitch and complain that I don't think it's real music...but if you want my honest opinion, it isn't.
Death/Metalcore are not different from the other metal genres, they are simply a different approach. Yet they are constantly segregated as being
The Black sheep, due to a particular group of people who listen to it. I love Death/Metalcore, and I'm not a scene/emo kid. But, many conclude that because they don't like scene/emo kids, and because scene/emo kids listen to Death and Metalcore, they must not like that particular genre.
I know you're probably going to say these people don't exist, but they do.
citation :| I don't, and nobody else who dislikes -core infused metal does. When a thread asks for my opinion on Deathcore, I'm damn well going to give my opinion, because it creates discussion. What, do you seriously think we go around listening to music we Hate all the time or something? |
I agree, but not everyone's followed suit. This post was directed towards those people. Also, what are you looking to accomplish? Do you think based on what you said people are going to stop listening to it? If you don't like it, I'm sure no one has a problem with you voicing your opinion. But, don't in turn call them names for liking something that's different from what you like (and I'm not insinuating that YOU did, others have though).
citation :
citation :| If you're upset about how many awful Deathcore/Metalcore bands are out there, guess what...there are shitty bands in every genre, even the flavour(s) of metal you choose to listen to predominantly. |
Well no shit sherlock. What's your point? I know there's bad bands in genres I like, that's not going to stop me from listening to them. |
It seems that people are shocked and outraged when they hear a shitty Death/Metalcore band these days. I'll be the first to admit that there are a lot of them, but why such a reaction? Like I said, there are a lot shitty bands in every genre. Hell, considering the nature of the industry, MOST bands could be considered shitty. Plus, I'm pretty sure you give more bands a chance who are categorized in genres you like as opposed to those that you dislike, so the odds are tipped against you even further.
But, now you're just taking little pieces from my post and addressing them one by one. I don't remember writing my original post in a fragmented manner, and you shouldn't attempt to respond to it that way either. Also, I could say the same thing to you. What's YOUR point? Do we just sit here while you call what I listen to garbage and I react in turn? That gets us nowhere.
citation :I don't give a shit about the fanbase of a given genre. No one does, it's just fun to pick on scene kids.  |
Acutally, they do. That's where all this talk about Death/Metalcore being 'gay' comes from. And that only scene/emo kids listen to it. Just because you don't doesn't mean others don't.
citation :| You'd be retarded to think that the vocal stylings they use in Deathcore aren't different form those in other styles of metal. Harsh vocals don't just have one method of delivery, you know. |
Actually, there IS only one method of delivery; they're being delivered harshly. To present a legitimate point though, now you're getting into some pretty narrowly defined semantics. I meant that they share the same style, obviously EVERY vocalist sounds different.
citation :If we shouldn't argue about anything subjective, what the fuck is the point of this forum, a METAL forum?
"GUYS WE ALL HAVE OUR OWN OPINIONS SO LETS NOT TALK ABOUT ANYTHING"
The argument's been made a billion times before and it's been fucking stupid every time. |
Well, I honestly thought we could get along and discuss what we like about certain bands while helping others discover new ones. But perhaps I live in some utopian fantasy world.
Listen, we're not talking politics here. Someone liking a genre of metal that you dislike will literally have no impact on your life. Also, no one cares what you dislike. In the long run, people who always complain and bring negative attention towards themselves eventually reap what they sow. No one likes a chronic complainer. If you don't like Death/Metalcore, that's fine, but don't lay claim to it being inferior to what you listen to; it isn't.
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