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Wednesday 29 June 2011 - 16:41:40
I second Merc's opinion, but I disagree about the album sucking due to Slayer being fast. Slayer had already proven on the previous 2 albums that they could play good songs really fast, so speed isn't my problem--it's the delivery.
Not one song other than the first and last are at all memorable (except maybe Necrophobic), and it feels like listening to a blur of half-assed Ideas thrown at each other for no reason. The 8 songs between opener and finale all blend into each other, which I guess is nice for a listener who likes goregrind but really... every time I listen to this album, I get bored, despite it being incredibly short. I'm fine with chaos and I'm fine with speed, but it's just so redundant by the third or fourth track that it wears on me. There can still be variety in chaos and speed, although Slayer don't seem to want to acknowledge it on RiB. It's a great album if you want speed, but there's almost Nothing to back that one trait up. It just feels like a flimsy album.
I guess there is structure amidst these songs, but it's hard to pay attention to when Slayer won't stop throwing riffs and solos in your face. I feel numb to the album's supposed 'br00tal' effect it's supposed to have in the listener. RiB is an excercize in redundancy.
But I guess I have to acknowledge its massive effect on thrash to come...
...That is, they take thrash in a completely wrong direction with this album by going for no style or flair or structural ability--they just go for facemelting without giving a fuck how it sounds, and the sound is consequently terrible for about 80% of the album.
 
That's my reasoning for not liking RiB, if I reviewed it here on SoM it'd be lucky to get higher than 8/20. I hope I at least presented my case well.

Wednesday 29 June 2011 - 18:05:53
you say that the songs blend into each other. how many times have you listened to this album? anyways, I've been playing guitar for several years now, I've learned to play the whole SNM and RiB a while ago. Your point is invalid for me - every song from RiB has this special thing, the feeling, uniqueness. You say that it's the bad direction for thrash. In my opinion (along with the Hell Awaits) it's the best. Metallica's first albums were catchy, solos were easy to listen, the whole music was simply for everyone who liked heavy metal. Megadeth - first album is a Masterpiece, but it's really more like art for me. Peace sells had great melodies, but still, first four MD albums are more for chilling out. And here comes Slayer. Aggressive, fast, perfect. The definition of high class thrash metal. btw, sounding on RiB is fucking awesome. I mean, if you got a CD/vinyl/tape. 

Wednesday 29 June 2011 - 18:08:43
...Forget the debate, you can play all of SNM and RiB on guitar?
Fuck, that's awesome! How long have you been playing?

Wednesday 29 June 2011 - 18:14:51

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InfinityZero says : ...Forget the debate, you can play all of SNM and RiB on guitar?
Fuck, that's awesome! How long have you been playing?


In Fact Angel of Death and Raining Blood aren't that hard to play on guitar. (Guitarist myself) The most difficult parts are the solos and the Fact that you have to keep up with the high speed Slayer used, without making horrific errors. in terms of technicity Slayer isn't that extremely hard

Wednesday 29 June 2011 - 18:16:27
hehe I haven't actually learned any solos from RiB <I improvise them> but I can play most solos from SNM. I've been playing for about 3 or 4 years. I can play shitload of covers, thrash and Death Metal mostly

Wednesday 29 June 2011 - 20:03:50

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pavel says : hehe I haven't actually learned any solos from RiB <I improvise them> but I can play most solos from SNM. I've been playing for about 3 or 4 years. I can play shitload of covers, thrash and Death Metal mostly


Ever tried to play any Black metal? Some of them are ridiculously easy cfr Transsilvanian Hunger and Freezing Moon

Wednesday 29 June 2011 - 20:28:46
GOD yes, Black Metal is easy.
I've been playing about as long as you, pavel, although I rarely practice.
I do know Freezing Moon (except the latter half of the solo), For All Tid, Langt Borti Lia, Lost Wisdom, Black Spell of Destruction, Crying Orc (obviously--it's super easy) and a few more Black Metal songs.
Pavel, how hard is Crionics to play?
...I love that song.

Thursday 30 June 2011 - 17:15:58
Black Metal is too easy, I mean, it's cool to play some BM songs from time to time, but I am very persistent if it comes to playing the quitar, I love challenges. that's why I'm trying to find more technically advanced songs now. Crionics is amazing, it's rather easy, solo can be tricky though hey, Panzer, what are your favourite covers to play?

Thursday 30 June 2011 - 17:44:03

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pavel says : Black Metal is too easy, I mean, it's cool to play some BM songs from time to time, but I am very persistent if it comes to playing the quitar, I love challenges. that's why I'm trying to find more technically advanced songs now. Crionics is amazing, it's rather easy, solo can be tricky though hey, Panzer, what are your favourite covers to play?


Well Freezing Moon is fun because it was one of my first covers I managed to master.

Some of my other favourites:

War - Burzum
Slowly we Rot- Obituary
Wolves - Marduk
Raining Blood - Slayer
Bonded by Blood - Exodus
I am The Black Wizards - Emperor

I know more but that are one of my favourites

What guitars do you guys (pavel and Infinity play?

I play a Spear RD 250 Black


Thursday 30 June 2011 - 17:53:02
my guitar is very low-budget, it's Ibanez GRG 170 DX. It's my first electric guitar I've decided not to buy a new one, unless it's a Jackson RR24 or a custom made, preferably by RAN. I have this urge to own RR shaped guitar with 24 frets I've been playing with many people and even though my guitar is really not that good, it never let me Down, especially when I use my Metal Muff, ass kicking distortion! Cheers!