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Monday 11 July 2011 - 10:47:09
I still cant work out why people dislike The Black Album. It is a brilliantly constructed album which happened to have millions of people who enjoy it aswell, not just metalheads. Its not like Metallica changed their whole structure to go mainstream. (Although nowadays they do just about anything to make a buck. shoes, clothing, and yes even law suits lolz Napster)
 
This is may view of some flawless albums:
 
SOAD - Toxicity
Mudvayne - The New Game
Gojira - From Mars To Sirius
Amon Amarth - With Oden on our side
Amon Amarth - Twilight of the Thunder GOD
At The Gates - Slaughter of the soul
BOO - The New Reign
The Butterfly Effect - Begins Here
DT - Damage Done
Dissection - Reinkaos
Empires Of Eden - Songs of war and Vengeance
EToS - Before The Bleeding Sun
FF - Digimortal
Norther - N
Opeth - Ghost Reveries
Novembers Doom - The Pale Haunt Departure
Rage Against The Machine - Self titled
Rammstein - Sehnsucht
Rob Zombie - The Sinister Urge
Skinless - Trample The Weak, Hurdle The Dead
Slipknot - The subliminal Verses (yes yes i grew up with slipknot)
Stonesour - Come What(ever) May
White Zombie - Astro Creep 2000
 

Monday 11 July 2011 - 15:43:07

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ryan5 says : I still cant work out why people dislike The Black Album. It is a brilliantly constructed album which happened to have millions of people who enjoy it aswell, not just metalheads.  

 
YAY, I'm so excited because now I get to justify my gripes with Black Album.
First of all, I don't like it because it deformed Metallica into something of a joke. The mainstream success gotten by this album lead to Load of Shit, Reload of Shit, and St. Ang-shit.
Which lead to a 'comeback' which lead to the same sales as when Coke tried a new flavour and went back to 'classic' after pissing off a Ton of people. Blah. So this is the album that ruined Metallica.
Here's why this album isn't good (it isn't flat-out awful either):
The album tries too hard. It tries to be big and loud and 'heavy', but it goes about it in a cop-out way, making a whole pile of redundancy that never sounds like anything more than an attempt at metal. If they want to make a rock album or a soft album, fine, but don't try to go in with a guise of metal, because that makes the album feel too contrived.
Everything is too standard. The song Enter Sandman starts out great--a real good way to start an album, but its structure is so standard it makes the song feel like it goes nowhere. More than one song off the album goes that way. Riffs that are heavy on this album, such as a certain riff in Sad But True, are milked too much, and I get the feeling that Metallica thought that they came across a real kicker of the riff (something that in truth would only be used as filler if it was on the first 2 albums), and kept using it, thinking it would automatically make their song better.
The album is much too simplistic and defenitely more juvenile than anything else Metallica had then released. The drumming... oh, GOD, the drumming. Ever notice how the drums almost never vary? The same beat is almost always going. Lars Ulrich=best drummer ever? Bullshit.
It's corny, too. A lot of what is there feels very corny, most riffs feel weak, and there's almost no Power save for the awesome production. It's too simple an album, Nothing really shines on it, it feels like it was gone at with all the subtlety of a caveman, it's underintelligent and too long, it's boring, and while it does have good songs on it, it DEFENITELY is not Metallica's best. A lot of the songs get old before they're over.
So yeah, good songs here and there, great grungy production, but it just is weaker than previous efforts. I'd give it 13/20 if I was doing a legit review of it. I hope my reasons came across clearly here?
 

Monday 11 July 2011 - 20:28:21
Candlemass - Tales Of Creation

Good GOD, this album is KILLER! Heavy riffs + powerful male vocals = Masterpiece.

I don't know why, but I always tend to like a band's earlier releases versus their new ones.

Monday 11 July 2011 - 20:37:42

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ryan5 says : *cringe-worthy list*


...good Lord it's worse than I thought. Even with the halfway decent bands like Fear Factory and At The Gates, you managed to pick their WORST albums.

Amon Amarth's good, but saying their recent material is their best is...well, it's just strange. Dissection was never all that great but Reinkaos was them trying and failing to be In Flames, awful. Anything after Blackwater Park (my little pet Opeth album) was loads of ass and was right about when they became a parody of themselves, and....Mudvayne? fucking Rob Zombie? wow.

The only one I'll give to you in Skinless, but that album's nowhere near perfect.

Also, Infinity, I can see why you think the way you do, but I don't think Metallica has ever failed at "trying to be metal" or whatever. The Black Album was their inevitable "sellout" album due to the large amount of exposure the band was getting. It's got some strong hooks here and there, but to say that it's their best album Means that you have no idea what Metallica's all about. It's not representative of the band's original vision at all. It was Metallica trying to be metal- it was Metallica trying to be rock music. You've got it backwards.


Monday 11 July 2011 - 22:31:28

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Enigmatick says :

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ryan5 says : *cringe-worthy list*


...good Lord it's worse than I thought. Even with the halfway decent bands like Fear Factory and At The Gates, you managed to pick their WORST albums.

Amon Amarth's good, but saying their recent material is their best is...well, it's just strange. Dissection was never all that great but Reinkaos was them trying and failing to be In Flames, awful. Anything after Blackwater Park (my little pet Opeth album) was loads of ass and was right about when they became a parody of themselves, and....Mudvayne? fucking Rob Zombie? wow.

The only one I'll give to you in Skinless, but that album's nowhere near perfect.

Also, Infinity, I can see why you think the way you do, but I don't think Metallica has ever failed at "trying to be metal" or whatever. The Black Album was their inevitable "sellout" album due to the large amount of exposure the band was getting. It's got some strong hooks here and there, but to say that it's their best album Means that you have no idea what Metallica's all about. It's not representative of the band's original vision at all. It was Metallica trying to be metal- it was Metallica trying to be rock music. You've got it backwards.

 
Isnt it a good thing we all have opinions?
I grew up with The Black album, Ever Since i was like 9 or 10 dad'd play it in the cd player at home or in the car. I grew to love that album and sometimes you cant just change your oppinion. And yeah, Master of Puppets is a Beast of an album along with Ride the lightening. My old man and i have very similar tastes and he got me into metal. Hence the reason why i like the bands i do.
 
How about you guys post some albums you reckon are flawless and ill give them a listen 0
Monday 11 July 2011 - 22:44:02
Okay fine, Black Album is an attempt at hard rock. Whatever it's supposed to be, it doesn't pull it off very well.
 
I'll just post my flawless albums one at a time gradually rather than giving them off all at once.
Everyone's heard me go on about Ulver's Bergtatt, so I'll just say
 
Within the Realm of a Dying Sun by Dead Can Dance
A surreal, atmospheric Journey shrouded by Unearthly keyboards and Ethereal vocals. All instrumentation is perfectly placed, all the songs are brilliantly haunting, and Nothing comes off as corny or forced, as is the case with a lot of albums like this. Not a metal album, but I recommend it to anyone who is into atmosphere.
There are a bunch of great masterpieces to be found here that transport me to another plane of thought and being better than some Drone and Black Metal albums can. The songs Gathering of Flowers, Anywhere out of This World, and Xavier are all excellent, excellent songs, but you couldn't go wrong picking any of the 8 tracks to listen to. One of the most solid albums I've ever heard. Dead Can Dance is a great band but this is undoubtebly their pinnacle. I never get tired of this album.

Monday 11 July 2011 - 22:55:19
I might check it out
Monday 11 July 2011 - 23:35:05
I don't realize why people seem to need to remind me that they have opinions. No shit it's your opinion, what the Hell did you THINK i thought it was?


Tuesday 12 July 2011 - 00:27:34

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Enigmatick says : I don't realize why people seem to need to remind me that they have opinions. No shit it's your opinion, what the Hell did you THINK i thought it was?


Well Enig, maybe they think you're quick to Judge and put Down, regardless of whether it's their opinion or not.


Tuesday 12 July 2011 - 00:31:16
Well they should stop having such shitty taste in music and then maybe I would stop putting them down.

   
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