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Friday 03 May 2013 - 17:19:44

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wasteoflife! says : ya can't complain about the changes in the Hobbit After All the changes in l.o.r. I cant pin point them all from memory but there are so many. As i said i ain't debating it. Metal forums seem to love having long pointless debates about these movies "whats so metal about l.o.r anyway ?

 
I don't think deviations from a novel equate to a bad novel-based movie. Look at Stanley Kubrick. He Distorted and Twisted the meaning of the books he based his movies on until the themes were deeper and more ponient. He also filled his movies with nuances and subtle Message encoding and subliminal messages that made the films incredibly deep and cerebral. Space Odyssey, The Shining, and A Clockwork Orange all work better as films than they do as novels. I think part of adaptation is the ability to let the creator take their own creative spin on the source material, and I don't get all up in a fuss if the movie didn't include this part or that part of the book. Unless the decision was horrible--like The Burning of the Weasley's house in the sixth Harry Potter movie. That was the dumbest decisions Ever in the HP movies, and I didn't even like those that much to begin with.

Friday 03 May 2013 - 22:08:51

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InfinityZero says :

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wasteoflife! says : ya can't complain about the changes in the Hobbit After All the changes in l.o.r. I cant pin point them all from memory but there are so many. As i said i ain't debating it. Metal forums seem to love having long pointless debates about these movies "whats so metal about l.o.r anyway ?

 
I don't think deviations from a novel equate to a bad novel-based movie. Look at Stanley Kubrick. He Distorted and Twisted the meaning of the books he based his movies on until the themes were deeper and more ponient. He also filled his movies with nuances and subtle Message encoding and subliminal messages that made the films incredibly deep and cerebral. Space Odyssey, The Shining, and A Clockwork Orange all work better as films than they do as novels. I think part of adaptation is the ability to let the creator take their own creative spin on the source material, and I don't get all up in a fuss if the movie didn't include this part or that part of the book. Unless the decision was horrible--like The Burning of the Weasley's house in the sixth Harry Potter movie. That was the dumbest decisions Ever in the HP movies, and I didn't even like those that much to begin with.


Look at 90% of Stephen King movies, a lot of good books turned to crappy movies there

Saturday 04 May 2013 - 02:55:28
Yes, but most of the shit Stephen King adaptations come from the Fact that they follow the books so adimantly. Look at the awful remakes for Carrie and the Shining--both claim to follow the book more than the original movie but are undeniably worse. Stephen King isn't that great a writer, anyway--just read Christine, the Tommyknockers, or Under the Dome. The 'good' Stephen King-adapted movies (Shawshank Redepmtion, the original Carrie and the original Shining, Green Mile, Stand by Me) all have major differences to their book counterparts but are better because of it.
 
...Although Misery followed the book quite closely and was still pretty good.
 
But don't forget, King wrote the screenplay to Maximum Overdrive, which was blindingly painful to sit through.

Saturday 04 May 2013 - 03:15:19

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InfinityZero says : Yes, but most of the shit Stephen King adaptations come from the Fact that they follow the books so adimantly. Look at the awful remakes for Carrie and the Shining--both claim to follow the book more than the original movie but are undeniably worse. Stephen King isn't that great a writer, anyway--just read Christine, the Tommyknockers, or Under the Dome. The 'good' Stephen King-adapted movies (Shawshank Redepmtion, the original Carrie and the original Shining, Green Mile, Stand by Me) all have major differences to their book counterparts but are better because of it.
 
...Although Misery followed the book quite closely and was still pretty good.
 
But don't forget, King wrote the screenplay to Maximum Overdrive, which was blindingly painful to sit through.


I have read all those book's and thought they were good. Stephen King is an amazing writer, he just sux at ending story's.
They changed a lot in Clive Barkers midnight meat train and stretched the short story to make a great movie, but changed Nothing in clive barkers 'hellbound heart' yet Hellraiser was an awesome movie too. A lot has to do with who is making the movie and what changes are made and how they are justified

Saturday 04 May 2013 - 16:08:31
Nah, Stephen King has many more weaknesses besides having dumb endings. But speaking of bad endings, how could you have read all 1,000 pages of Under the Dome and not raged at how insanely stupid the ending was? It was unbearably apparent that King had no idea how to End the book.
 
I think that King's only real strong point is depicting children and comin-of-age stories. He's really not that good at scary stuff and comes off as devisive a lot of the time. His stories concerning children are really strong though--that's why I thought IT was so well done. The Shining was pretty decent too. But for books like Christine, the characters are terribly bland, every scene is way the fuck padded out, and the Origin stories of why the things in the books are Cursed or Evil are either really lame or confused and sometimes even self-contradictory. When I was a kid I used to be a gigantic fan of King (every single book I read was by him, and as a result I've read almost all of his books and a few of his short story compilations), but I began to realize after a time that he had a lot of flaws as a writer. Then I read 'East of Eden' by John Steinbeck. 'Nuff said.
 
My favourite book by King is The Shining, Green Mile, and Pet Semetary (just because of how fucking Over The Top it is!). I do want to get around to reading the Stand eventually, because I've heard from people who Otherwise don't like his writing that the Stand was his Magnus opus. Have you read it? And what are your favourite books by him?

Saturday 04 May 2013 - 20:54:27

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InfinityZero says : Nah, Stephen King has many more weaknesses besides having dumb endings. But speaking of bad endings, how could you have read all 1,000 pages of Under the Dome and not raged at how insanely stupid the ending was? It was unbearably apparent that King had no idea how to End the book.
 
I think that King's only real strong point is depicting children and comin-of-age stories. He's really not that good at scary stuff and comes off as devisive a lot of the time. His stories concerning children are really strong though--that's why I thought IT was so well done. The Shining was pretty decent too. But for books like Christine, the characters are terribly bland, every scene is way the fuck padded out, and the Origin stories of why the things in the books are Cursed or Evil are either really lame or confused and sometimes even self-contradictory. When I was a kid I used to be a gigantic fan of King (every single book I read was by him, and as a result I've read almost all of his books and a few of his short story compilations), but I began to realize after a time that he had a lot of flaws as a writer. Then I read 'East of Eden' by John Steinbeck. 'Nuff said.
 
My favourite book by King is The Shining, Green Mile, and Pet Semetary (just because of how fucking Over The Top it is!). I do want to get around to reading the Stand eventually, because I've heard from people who Otherwise don't like his writing that the Stand was his Magnus opus. Have you read it? And what are your favourite books by him?


I know Stephen King isn't scary, but after reading a lot of horror authors ya have to admire his skill . I actually like Joe Hills (Stephen's son) books better, he is like a new updated version of S.K with a makeover

Pet Cemetery,Desperation, The dark half are some of my fav's by memory. A lot of the books i read so long ago i can't really remember them that well.

I read the stand years ago, it was alright. Very long and though a lot of people say the stand was one of king's masterpieces, i thought it was just another one of his average books with another shit ending.

If i read horror these days i definitely won't turn to King, only for an easy familiar read, there is too many other more scary authors out there.

Saturday 04 May 2013 - 23:17:03
The best horror story I've Ever read is still Franz Kafka's novelette 'Metamorphosis', which was an ingenious criticism of modern Culture at the time.
 
I haven't read The Dark Half (though I do have the first edition of it in my closet), but I've read Desperation, and though it was written well, I thought it was very corny at the same time. The whining Christian kid ticked me off so fast, and once the book got to the point where it introduced a relative Demon of Satan I kinda metally facepalmed and stopped reading.
 
I personally think horror is much more effective in audio and video fomats, which is why I think horror radioplays and horror movies are so much more successful than horror books. My favourite horror movies would be The Shining, Psycho, Kuroneko, Onibaba, Audition, Repulsion, and The Vanishing (I know that last one has a stupid title but believe me, it's a Masterpiece).

Monday 06 May 2013 - 16:01:25
I've been reading the Douglas Adams books lately (even if Life, The Universe and Everything has been on pause for Two or three months at least....

Also, even if that has Nothing to do with reading, is it normal when I go on wastolife's profil it tells me he doesn't exist anymore?

Monday 06 May 2013 - 17:09:40
I'm assuming Waste deleted his profile but is still somehow able to use the forums? I dunno. :
 
What kind of writer is Douglas Adams?

Monday 06 May 2013 - 20:15:06
I'm not so good at doing reviews or things like that... so I'll say what comes to my mind.
Well he is The One at the origine of the famous answer to the ultimate question of life, the Universe, and everything: 42. (if you type "answer to the ultimate question of life the Universe and everything" or something like that on google, google calculator will give you 42... google guys love this sort of thing)

His books (at least those I'm reading) form a serie which starts with the most famous, The Hitchhiker's guide to the Galaxy, and narrate what happens to an english guy. Sometimes it's really ... random? I'd say he's sort of a weird humoristic writer.