| InfinityZero says : citation :
I've heard from a bunch of people that the Silmarillion is total garbage and a Waste of time. It's supposedly way too boring and only focuses on introducing you to fictional histories in a very straightforward, uninspired way. From that, I gather that it must be like those pointless parts in the LOTR book that goes on and on about a history of a family you never hear of again. But I've never read the Silmarilion, so of course I can't judge. |
miniradman says : errr...my bible  I haven't read a full story book in a while  Although I used to enjoy the works by Matthew Reilly such as; Contest and Temple. Very nice Action books |
| InfinityZero says : Balin, I don't know what it is, but something tells me you're a fan of Tolkien fantasy? By the way, weren't you killed in the Orcish siege of Moria? Anyway, though I think the narrative approach to the LOTR and the fantasy books that came out of it are interesting and there's a lot to be said for the depth and density of the fantasy world as well as the extremely apparent ambitiousness to the whole thing, I think there are a lot of fundamental flaws with Tolkien's writing style. I kind of see him as more of a talented poet, historian and linguist than I see him as a talented novelist. And I'm curious, what did you think of the recent Hobbit movie? I'm assuming you Saw it? |
| InfinityZero says : Now I'll just wait for Balin to come and yell at me |
and I have to say, without this movies I probably never woud have read the books. BUT after I read the books I was fascinated of this enormous world behind the Tolkien stories. The movies are great yes, but to this: watch 0:45 
| They're better than the books |
| InfinityZero says : I guess I'm going to be bringing up a few controversial opinions then. The Hobbit movie sucked. Hard. Everything but the scene with the trolls and the STUNNING scene with Gollum. Jackson finally got his Hands on a Tolkien book that could easily be covered in one three-hour epic movie, and he pads it all the way out to three movies, allowing for absolutely no closure in the characters by The End of the film and a lot of forced, unnecessary conflict. WasteOfLife, I find it strange that you knock the LOTR movies for not following the book when the Hoobit movie had TRANSFORMING MOUNTAINS. And the brown Wizard plot Device was utter shit, as was the Random appearance of characters from the LOTR Trilogy who basically served as Nothing more than an advertisement for the other movies. Also, that 48fps thing was such a George Lucas decision to make. The LOTR films are pretty much perfect considering the source material they came from. They're better than the books because they don't dwell on pointless scenes and actually have character development, something the books didn't have. Personalities were barely discernable in the books, except for maybe in Aragorn, Sam and Gandalf. Most of the deviations from the books actually worked in the movie's favour, such as Faramir attempting to take Frodo and Sam to Gondor in the hopes of making his father recognize his loyalty. Also, for things like Tom Bombadil being left out, consider the Fact that these films are constrained by running times. All things considered, I think the LOTR movies are pretty much as good as anyone could have hoped for... except for a few minor things. I thought including the relationship between that Elf Girl who can't ACT and Aragorn was lame and actually presented a few plotholes that Otherwise shouldn't have been there (why is it randomly brought up that Arwin is Dying and then in The End she's suddenly fine? that almost leads me to believe that Arwin's father was lying about this in order to manipulate Aragorn). Now I'll just wait for Balin to come and yell at me |
| wasteoflife! says : citation :
uh i can't be bothered, but all the stuff you said about the l.o.r movies is wrong...but it's a topic and don't care enough about to debate |
| InfinityZero says : citation :
Okay, we'll make a shorter topic then. Attempt to justify from a literary standpoint the presence of Tom Bombadil or half of the characters at the council of Elrond and maybe I'll start to concede that you have a point. Balin, I can defenitely agree that the actor to play Bilbo WAS awesome. He had a lot of good moments. The look of all the dwarves was also awesome. I didn't really have many complaints with the movie until after they started out on their Journey, and from there it went downhill faster than Frodo and Sam when they fall Down that slope by The Black Gate in the second movie XD Also, WTF was with that scene where Gandalf replays the 'you shall not pass' scene with a fricking Orcish king? That was utterly retarded. |
