| Enigmatick says : Alright, let me try my best to define "heavy metal" myself. Let's make this a Tad easier for me by breaking it Down into two things which I will define: heavy and metal. Since that IS the name of the genre, After All, it's only logical that we define the genre by those two words. Heavy: Heaviness is both something in an emotional sense and a musical sense. Heaviness in an emotional sense is a strong, powerful feeling, which is more often than not associated with darker topics and imageries, such as the occult, death, Destruction, Sadness, and things of the like. However, in more traditional and melodic forms of metal (Power Metal, prog metal, etc) The "strong, powerful feeling" can have more of a positive edge to it. One would only assume that you should match the imageries and themes you want to portray in your music with the music itself; as such, "heaviness" in a musical sense is characterized by a resonant, vibrant guitar tone, which can be achieved through a variety of methods. Sometimes the tone can be overshadowed by the other aspects of the music; keyboards, vocals, even drums, but as long as the deep, resonant sounding guitar is still present and is the backbone of the music, it can still be considered "heavy" Metal: Metal itself is pretty much impossible to define in objective terms, but I can pretty much sum up what defines "metal" in two words: THE RIFFS. There is a certain riffing style Possessed in metal that is impossible to describe in words but easy to hear (if your ears are well acquainted with the genre, of course). It's kind of like porn: hard to define but easy to spot. The riffs in metal create a certain atmosphere, one that is amorphous in nature; it can be dark, Aggressive, Abrasive, uplifting, entrancing, you name it. One of the major components that makes these riffs metal is (and I know this will sound silly) the attitude. This attitude is found in the Heart of the depressive Black Metal artist who's only sold 10 copies of his album, the big-name Death Metal artist, the local retro-thrash group or the Heavy Metal legend. And although this attitude has no real physical manifestation; there is no denying it exists in all of our hearts the minute we fired up that first Maiden disc or stole that Sabbath CD from our older brothers' collection when he was out. The spirit of metal is what gives us the want to compose these riffs, and in turn, it is what defines it. |
| Mercenarion says : citation :
You stated "or" not "and". |
| Enigmatick says : Let me now tell you a story of why I do not consider Deathcore to be metal. It happened not too long ago and is still fresh in my memory, so it's a great example. I was at the Evile, Bonded By Blood and Gama Bomb show. My friend had connections with one of the local bands (a Deathcore band called Militant) and as such, we were shooting the shit after their set. We were outside the venue talking, and once Bonded By Blood was starting up, my buddy asked a couple of the guys in the band if they were gonna go and watch Bonded By Blood play. Their responses: "Nah, I really don't give a fuck about those spics" "Yeah, don't really like thrash in general, it's just...lame, you know?" "Doesn't really have that Brutal feel to it." ...and that kind of stuff. I really have to ask you, are THOSE fuckups what you would consider a metal band? They obviously don't enjoy metal riffing, just heavy riffing, which is why they're playing Deathcore in the first place. That's not metal. It may be heavy, but it's not metal. |
Must... keep... urge... to kill... low!!???? | Enigmatick says : Nobody goes around proclaiming that Hardcore punk, Hard Rock and Alternative Metal (it's essentially nu-metal) ARE valid metal genres like you do with Deathcore because everybody KNOWS they're not valid metal genres and nobody gives a fuck cause there's still some sweet bands coming out of those genres, metal or not. Also, they rarely get brought up in discussion because they're not trendy horseshit like Deathcore is. |
| miniradman says : citation :
Deathcore aint horseshit (early and present Sepultura is). Stop being silly, Deathcore is a valid metal genre. Wheather you like it or not. The other genres I put may or may not be metal. Deathcore is definatly metal (and so is Metalcore) Its counted as Metal in Metal-Archives and in Metalstorm and everywhere else. |
