| JoeNoctus says : citation :
Your "opinion" is solely based on lack of thought. There are cases where suicide can be somewhat justified and not by the standards you set. Ever heard of The Angelic Process? Fantastic band. The main songwriter of that band committed suicide. Why? He completely f*cked up his hand Beyond being able to play guitar or write music. He couldn't make music anymore. Seem whiny to you? Well... No. I'd commit suicide if the same thing happened to me, or I went deaf. Music is what I live for, and music is what he lived for. If you truly cannot achieve what you base your life around, and your love around, I see no reason to object to suicide. You may say it would Hurt their love ones, but then...If this person truly has Nothing to live for, I think their loved ones would understand and would like to see a certain person at peace. Suicide with permanent illness is also justified too, if you're going to Die, why would you want to just wait for the day to come, gradfually growing weaker and weaker? I'd rather end it there and then, with my own life in my own hands. Not all suicide is "not being able to get over your problems", you think about this far too black and white. But I agree with you with most cases of suicide, particularly teenagers whom don't know the value of life to the extent that they should. I've lived my life In Hell for about a decade, and not once did I try suicide. I can't say I didn't think about suicide, but I always turned away from it. It all depends on the person, and I'm very strong. Unfortunately though, not everyone is as strong as me, or you since you seem to strong to your opinion, despite the circumstance. |
. Sorry , i had to say it 
| The question "Has a man in general the right to Kill himself?" is incorrectly put. There can be no question of "right". If he is able to do it, then he has the right. I think that the possibility of killing oneself is a safety-valve. Having it, man has no right (here the expression "right" is appropriate) to say that life is unbearable. If it were impossible to live, then one would Kill oneself; and consequently one cannot speak of life as being unbearable. The possibility of killing himself has been given to man, and therefore he may (he has the right to) Kill himself, and he continually uses this right - when he kills himself in duels, in war, by dissipation, wine, tobacco, opium, etc. The question can only be as to whether it is reasonable and moral (the reasonable and moral always coincide) to Kill oneself. No, it is unreasonable; as unreasonable as to cut off the shoots of a plant which one wishes to destroy; it will not Die, but will merely grow irregularly.. Life is indestructible; it is Beyond time and space, therefore death can only change its form, Arrest its manifestation in this world. But having arrested it in this world, I, first, do not know whether its manifestation in another world will be more pleasant to me; and, secondly, I deprive myself of the possibility of experiencing and acquiring by my ego all that could be acquired in this world. Besides this, and above all, it is unreasonable because by arresting my life owing to its apparent unpleasantness, I hereby show that I have a perverted idea of the object of my life, assuming that its object is my pleasure - whereas its objects, on the other hand, personal perfection, and on the other, the service of that work which is being accomplished by the whole life of the Universe. It is for the same reason that suicide is also immoral. Life in its Entirety, and the possibility of living until natural death, have been given to man only on the condition that he serve the life of the Universe. But, having profited by life so long as it was pleasant, he refuses to serve the Universe as soon as life becomes unpleasant: whereas, in all probability, his service commenced precisely when life began to appear unpleasant. All work appears at first unpleasant. In the Optin Monastery, for more than thirty years, there lay on the Floor a monk smitten with Paralysis, who had the use of his left hand only. The doctors said that he was sure to Suffer much, but not only did he refrain from complaining of his position, but incessantly making the sign of the Cross, and looking at the ikons, he smilingly expressed his gratitude to GOD and joy in that spark of life which flickered in him. Tens of thousands of visitors came to see him, and it is difficult to imagine all the good which flowed into the world through this man, though deprived of the possibility of any activity. Certainly he did more good than thousands and thousands of healthy people who imagine that in various institutions they are serving the world. While there is life in man, he can perfect himself and serve the Universe. But he can serve the Universe only be perfecting himself, and perfect himself only by serving the Universe. |
| 1Archon1 says : citation :
A somehow arrogant comment . Sorry , i had to say it |
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, i mean no Harm . in the other parts of your comment i agree with you . | 1Archon1 says : I dont want to be offensive . Just mentioned it cause : 1) Starting the post by accusing the other of lack of thought ? mean 2) The example of the musician killing himself because of being a failure ? There are far more important reasons To Die For 3) Not everyone is as strong as you ? Thats arrogant Sorry , dont be offended , i mean no Harm . in the other parts of your comment i agree with you . |
. Many of us have been through our personal Hell . I included . I am not proud of this, nor i think it makes me better than anyone else . I have spoke with many people , and many of them had similar stories in their past . Its a Sad world the one we live in , and its arrogance to concider that you were the most unlucky . 
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| JoeNoctus says : Sorry if I came off as arrogant, it sometimes tends to show that way if I'm in a somewhat questionable mood. ;) |
