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Thursday 26 July 2012 - 01:56:20
Spirit of Metal seems to lack a post-metal section to list bands under. The forum has a section for it, but I suppose the closest genres the list of bands has are Atmospheric Doom and Atmospheric Sludge. Quite a few bands on SOM probably fit the label of post-metal:

Jesu (listed as Atmospheric Doom)
Isis (listed as Post Hardcore)
Pelican (listed as Progressive Metal)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post-metal

What do you think?

Saturday 28 July 2012 - 22:13:26
Post metal is one of the most insulting terms I have Ever heard. the term "post" Means AFTER. So "post-metal" implies that metal is dead and this is the kind of music that is created AFTER metal. If this is not what it's actually implying, then there is a HUGE grammatical error, therefore not making it a good name for a genre.

It's fucking retarded to have a genre name that doesn't accurately describe the music. For example, "melodic death" or "melodic death metal" easily describes that the music is Death Metal, but is softer and more MELODIC. "black death" simply describes that the band mixes Black Metal and death metal. "deathcore" Means that the band mixes Metalcore and death metal. and so on.

Therefore, this "post-metal" that you speak of IS INSULTING to the metal community and the genre itself because it implies that metal is dead, which it is not. Therefore, bands like Isis are put under Progressive Metal (although I have them under progressive rock in my library because they sound more rock than metal to me, but that's all personal opinion). That is why "post-metal" is and will never be a genre here on spirit of metal.

Sunday 29 July 2012 - 09:41:17
Calm Down, bro. The Post- suffix is used commonly in arts, both in music, painting etc Just think about postmodern art ( ready-mades, anyone?). Post- doesn't mean it's actually dead, it's just the artistic wave after the forementioned artistic wave. Most of the times the former takes inspiration in the latter.

So, according to your theory is Hardcore dead, because there's post-hardcore... and it's an Insult to hardcore?

The main problem with post-metal is the Fact it's a very vague genre. It's an amalgam of different metal genres, combined with other musical styles (such as rock, shoegaze rock, jazz etc). That'll the main reason why it's not on SoM, because it's hard to define wether a band is or isn't post-metal.

Sunday 29 July 2012 - 09:55:57
I dont call it post-hardcore, i call it screamo. And i mean no Offense to you at all, thats just one of my "buttons". And thats why we have all the progressive genres, for metal bands we cant define like Agalloch, Isis, Opeth, Keep Of Kalessin, Animals As Leaders, Mutiny Within, Periphery, etc.

I know that eras in art history like postmodernism exist. But the term "post" Means after, which is stuped because metal isnt something that can be considered a thing of the past.

Sunday 29 July 2012 - 10:20:00

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Crinn says : I dont call it post-hardcore, i call it screamo. And i mean no Offense to you at all, thats just one of my "buttons". And thats why we have all the progressive genres, for metal bands we cant define like Agalloch, Isis, Opeth, Keep Of Kalessin, Animals As Leaders, Mutiny Within, Periphery, etc.

I know that eras in art history like postmodernism exist. But the term "post" Means after, which is stuped because metal isnt something that can be considered a thing of the past.


post Means indeed 'after' (I've done Latin linguistic studies, so i should know that), but it doesn't mean that the artistic Event happened before it is gone or dead.

I don't consider this an offence to metal in general, it's just a term used to describe the complex situation that's going on considering progressive, experimental, avant-garde and yes, post-music. those 4 genres are very close to each other and are only distinguished by very slight differences.

I think you should be more worried about kids that consider Metalcore/Deathcore the 'core' of metal and claim that all bands (including oldies like Judas Priest) are influenced by poser bands like Suicide Silence. That's what i call disturbing and offensive (and there are quite some kids who consider Core as a Superior being in metal).

Sunday 29 July 2012 - 10:22:22
Well thats stupid considering priest was around 20+ years before Deathcore even started. I have yet to see kids with thaaat much stupidity.

Sunday 29 July 2012 - 10:23:24
And also, why would you have 4 seperate genres if the line between them is so fucking slim? Thats just crazy to me O.o

Sunday 29 July 2012 - 10:35:39

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Crinn says : Well thats stupid considering priest was around 20+ years before Deathcore even started. I have yet to see kids with thaaat much stupidity.


oh well, i'm not them and they aren't me. But I can assure you there are kids who do (I had one in my class for years). And It's stupid ofc

On the 4 genres, i'll try to give a global description:

prog metal ( in any genre): a mixture of the metal genre and the more complex, classical inspired style of Prog Rock. results in the typical solo, the builds etc

experimental: does what's on the tin can, being experimental. Add very strange or unusual soundscapes or song structures. It's like a chemistry lab, try to add several components on a new way to compose a new, strange result.

post: a mixture of different genres stated above) + metal genres. hard to define what it is, especially as there are few groups who call themselves post-metal.

avant-garde: that's an art term, they are actually 'before' the others. They make art (or music), which is considered now innovative, drastic or new but in time more and more bands will incorporate elements of the original avant-garde band. In theory, an avant-garde band can't always stay avant-garde, because at one point or another they get overtaken by other bands. In Fact, you can say that 'inventors' of new metal genres were avant-garde at one point or another. But they were never called that way.

What do all these genres have in common: they think Beyond they usual definitions of genres and genre characteristics. But this way it's hard to define what they actually are.

I hope this makes things clearer

Sunday 29 July 2012 - 10:42:06
I see what youre saying, and i umderstand, although that doesnt mean i consider post metal a real genre, icall it all Progressive Metal, even experimental, because i see it as all the same thing

Tuesday 31 July 2012 - 01:49:27

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Crinn says : I dont call it post-hardcore, i call it screamo. 


So wait... Fugazi is screamo now?