Death Metal >> Death and Black?
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Thursday 28 April 2011 - 11:19:21
I Love Metal... but ... how can u tell between one genre and theother? I mean, what is the difference for example between death and black?



Thursday 28 April 2011 - 17:10:50
There is a serious dfference:

death metal used deep growls and grunts as singing style. The guitars are heavily downtuned and often played (very) techincally. The drumming consists of double basses and blastbeats. The lyrical contents are Gore, death, murder, fantasy, personal things and social concerns... Sometimes bands incorporate keyboards

Black metal utilises screams and shrieks (or sometimes growls). The guitars are heavily distored and are used as a Tool of atmosphere. Black Metal isn't as technical as Death Metal (most of the times) but in Bm everything is about the atmosphere it creates. the drumming may have blastbeeats but in slower ambient-like songs this will not be the case. One man projects are common in BM. Lyrical contents: anti-religous, Pagan, satanism, death, Misery, emotional detachtment, nature,...

Thursday 28 April 2011 - 17:11:40
For a clear difference listen to:

Death metal: Cannibal Corpse, Morbid Angel of Possessed

Black metal: Mayhem, Burzum, Marduk,...

Thursday 28 April 2011 - 19:52:55
Haha, noob.
 
Seriously though, I'll tell you if you haven't gotten the gist from Panzer already.
 
BLACK METAL:
First of all, instrumentation. Black Metal typically has vocals and guitars as the forefront. The guitars sound wiry and high-toned, are usually tremolo picked, and are adjusted to be heavily Distorted and cold. Riffs tend to have a sort of airiness to them that sends a good atmosphere. Guitar solos aren't very common, mainly because a lot of black metallers think it breaks atmosphere, so no shredding or showing off in black metal. Vocals are usually high-pitched shrieks, screams, and wails. Growls are present in early Dimmu Borgir and Dodheimsgard but there isn't much growling otherwise. Drums are usually done with a lot of machine-gunning and high-tempos. Bass... well, bass is usually close to inaudible. So, generally Black Metal sounds higher pitched than Death Metal, if that makes sense. Additionally Black Metal uses a much wider range of instruments--acoustic guitars, keyboards, harps, violins, flutes...I've also heard bagpipes before.
Generally Black Metal is atmosphere-oriented. It's meant to give you the sense of being in huge forests, large castles, medieval times, etc. Some of the atmospheres are really gritty and nihilistic (Beherit, Bathory, early Mayhem), while others are melancholy and somewhat depressive (Striborg, Sterbend, Nortt).
Lyrically, songs are based on Satanism, nature, folk legends, religions, the occult, old times, Winter, and spirits.
Also in Black Metal, song lengths range a LOT. Bands like 88, Beherit and Bathory write songs from 2-4 minutes long (similar to Death Metal) while other bands like Wolves In The Throne Room and Weakling can write songs exceeding 15 minutes. Usually though Black Metal artists write songs from 5-9 minutes.
Song structure varies a lot too. Most Black Metal bands will have very involved Structures with plenty of tempo/rythm changes all over the place, with interludes and whatnot. Plenty of stuff will be going on, usually bringing the song to a heavy climax or driving the song in a specific direction--taking the listener to another place. Some Black Metal (DSBM--which stands for depressive suicidal Black Metal, or Drone Black Metal, won't drive anywhere and will concentrate on creating a Bleak atmosphere with very little progression.
With all of these variables Black Metal is a sub genre with a lot more range and depth. Listening to a black folk album will be VERY different as opposed to listening to, say, black drone. Black Metal can be very agressive and Abrasive but it can be calming and relaxing as well.
 
A few good Black Metal songs to give you an idea what Black Metal is:
Under Korpens Vinger
Jesu Dod
Det Som Engang VAR
Dark Medieval Times
Over Mit Lig
Mourning Palace
De Mysteriis DOM Sathanas
Natassja in Eternal Sleep
 
 
DEATH METAL.
Instrumentation--unlike Black Metal, Death Metal concentrates on sounding sludgy and deep. The bass is very high in the mix, the guitars are dropped to B or C, and solos are much more present in death metal. They're typically sporradic and really fast, just like everything else. The drums pound on the bass Kick a lot. Also, the singer goes for deep notes, usually growling or yelling. It sounds--well, gross. Crushing. Face melting. Death Metal is meant to be pounding and sound really destructive.
Usually, Death Metal doesn't go outside the regular line up--that is, guitars, bass, drums vocalist. I have yet to hear a harp in the middle of a Cannibal Corpse song.
Death metal also doesn't usually have songs much longer than 5 minutes. The norm song time for a Death Metal band would be 2-4 minutes. It's supposed to be short, simple, sweet, but heavy. The shorter songs Means that Death Metal has a much more simplified structure, usually having an ABABCB pattern, or something like that. It isn't as involved structurally, but of course, the songs are typically shorter anyway, so no big deal. Also, there probably won't be any interludes or breakdowns, unless you're listening to deathcore, but I'm not getting into that shit. Death metal is usually relentless--very few instrumentals or breaks in an album. Oh, and albums are usually around just a half hour, give or take 10 minutes.
The lyrics of death metal are--naturally, death. More specifically, gross-out or gory death. Here's a few song titles for you:
 
Genital Grinder
Swarming Vulgar Mass of Infected Virulency
Severed Survival
Entrails Ripped From a Virgin's Cunt
Leprosy
In the Grip of Winter
Nor the Silent Whispers
 
you know, the kinda titles that put a smile on your face. The idea is to gross out the listener, or be as 'brootal' as possible. Stuff like technical death is a bit different though, dealing with how society is evil and capitalism sucks and religion is disgusting--sorta like political commentary. Technical death has a lot of other exceptions to the death metal structure too--like longer songs, better structures, more range on the vocals, etc. But ignore technical death and the other sub-genres until you've heard all the main death metal stuff.
 
If you want good death metal songs to listen to, look at the list I gave above.

Thursday 28 April 2011 - 20:55:38
Infinity Zero made it pretty clear. Although it's worth noticing that for example Death Metal from sweden is completely different than DM from USA. You mentioned about simplicity in Death Metal - I'd argue with that one. Death Metal musicians are well known because of their skills or technique, which is affecting their music, DM riffs really are challenging. There is a huge variety in DM, but all of the bands have crushing guitar tones, vomiting growling vocals and fast drummers. For me the opus Magnum of DM is Incantation with their debut 'Onward to Golgotha', this album has everything what I need in DM. Cheers !

Thursday 28 April 2011 - 22:45:32


citation :
InfinityZero dit : Haha, noob.
 


I'll second that!

There's a nice site that should let you newbies which is which:

http://mapofmetal.com/#/home

One can always complain that this band or that band should be there but it's good enough for starters.

@ Infinity Zero, your vision of DM is a bit restrictive IMO. Bands like Portal or Morbid Angel have Nothing to do with Gore and that's just two (I could name a hundred). Also DM doesn't have to be breaking the wall of the sound, bands like Asphy or Obituary have shown that, more recently Encoffination among many others.

As for interludes most bands from the Razorback hive or Mortician do have some crunchy ones. If you like the more regular ones try Teitanblood or Necros Christos.

I think DM is just as much VAST as BM is.

Depressive BM? > Doom Death/Funeral
Swedish blasting BM? > Brutal Death
True BM ? > OSDM
etc

As for playing other instruments, a lot of Doom Death/Funeral bands have incorporated many: violin (My Dying Bride/Celestial Season), classical guitar (Necros Christos, Impureza, etc...), flute (Dissolving Of Prodigy), accordion (Sol)... I haven't heard latest Septic Flesh but it's like Emperor for DM. Etc...

As for lengths, there aren't that many bands that play under the 3/4 minutes mark and Funeral acts usually play above the 10 minutes mark, etc, etc.

I'd agree with Pavel too, DM may be simplistic sometimes (though not lacking power: Autopsy, OBituary...) but sometimes I think the technique of these guys exceed by Far what can be listened to in BM. Listen to Origin or Obscura, for instance.

I'm not saying BM is better than DM but both scenes are just really immense and have lots to offer but man, if you can't tell the difference between Marduk/Darkthrone and Immolation/Cannibal Corpse, there's still time to consult a good ENT (ear doctor!).