Black Metal >> Burzum "Belus" 2010
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JoeNoctus
Thursday 25 February 2010 - 22:10:25
It's not the music he ever had a problem with, it was the culture and manner itself.

You misenterpreted what he said.

GandhiEgo
Thursday 25 February 2010 - 22:48:22

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JoeNoctus says : It's not the music he ever had a problem with, it was the culture and manner itself.

You misenterpreted what he said.


I think the main problem Varg has is Varg himself. I'm not feeling sorry for a man who killed another or burned Down buildings, churches or not.

I did not misinterpret. He did say it was niggers' music (in the link I provided, he's trying to come up with some half-ass answer as if he kind of regretted saying that once) and he did say he would not perform Black Metal again. Maybe not in this interview, but it's out there if you look for it.

So where is the Varg that wanted to have his own little ranch in Norway and be quiet for ever after? Maybe someone got him into releasing Belus and it wasn't his own idea but I doubt it and even still, does he not some respect for himself?

Well, my friend, it's going to be a much controversial album. Most people that talk about it either find it fantastic because eh it's Burzum and Nothing is purer than Burzum except Burzum himself and others think that, wouldn't it be for the name, no one would give a fuck because it's just average BM.

I'm not that much interested in either Varg and/or Burzum. I think the guy is a joke and he gave, with a few others, a bad rep to metal.


JoeNoctus
Thursday 25 February 2010 - 23:35:43


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GandhiEgo says :


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JoeNoctus says : It's not the music he ever had a problem with, it was the culture and manner itself.

You misenterpreted what he said.


I think the main problem Varg has is Varg himself. I'm not feeling sorry for a man who killed another or burned Down buildings, churches or not.

I did not misinterpret. He did say it was niggers' music (in the link I provided, he's trying to come up with some half-ass answer as if he kind of regretted saying that once) and he did say he would not perform Black Metal again. Maybe not in this interview, but it's out there if you look for it.

So where is the Varg that wanted to have his own little ranch in Norway and be quiet for ever after? Maybe someone got him into releasing Belus and it wasn't his own idea but I doubt it and even still, does he not some respect for himself?

Well, my friend, it's going to be a much controversial album. Most people that talk about it either find it fantastic because eh it's Burzum and Nothing is purer than Burzum except Burzum himself and others think that, wouldn't it be for the name, no one would give a fuck because it's just average BM.

I'm not that much interested in either Varg and/or Burzum. I think the guy is a joke and he gave, with a few others, a bad rep to metal.

1. He killed a man in self-defense, I'd Hate to know how you Treat others who Kill in self-defense. Sure he burnt some buildings, but he is a musician at The End of the day - and I don't see why we should care.

2. I've read plenty of interviews and I have never seen him refer to the music itself as nigger music. Also, when he said he'd never play Black Metal again, he didn't lie. Since his release, when did he ever refer to Belus as a Black Metal album? He can't help if others class it as black metal.

3. He is a musician at Heart and he is free to make music as he will, and I don't know how simply releasing an album disturbs the peace of his home whatsoever.

4. "Average Black Metal" well you would think that. For one, think of games for a second and think of Final Fantasy 7. Today, this game wouldn't be revolutionary or amazing whatsoever. But in the time when it was released, it was revered as one of the best games ever made. But I don't think this is a fair example, since Burzum's music hasn't aged whatsoever - it's still as Cold, beautiful and raw as it ever was. Only thing that's aged is the production. I absolutely love his music. It's fine if you don't, but stating your opinion in such a forced way to make it look like a fact just makes you look like a bigot.

Note, some people do actually love Burzums music because it's great music. Not just because it's so pure and raw etc.

5. Bad reputation to metal? Oh for goodness sake, not this again...

How the media represents Varg is SURE to give metal a bad name, but when people research it and delve into the truth, they realise he is no monster at all. The media has made people think things are much worse than they really are for decades, and that's the only way a lot of people even know about Varg. This is the medias doing, not Varg.

Anyone who says "waa this person gives something i like a bad name" is just silly. One man does not make a genre, or the people in it. And who cares if metal has a bad name, anyway? I for one like being part of something that's revered as contravercial, getting the eyes of close minded fools worked up over liking a certain type of music - they deserve it.


GandhiEgo
Friday 26 February 2010 - 09:07:09
Well, reading you I know you're pro-Burzum and Nothing I will ever write would change your mind. This is reciprocal.

Enjoy Belus. Be it Black Metal or not...

edit: by the way, though this is not a "musical" discussion per se, I'm glad we're having it. It's better than the usual chit chat going on in most parts of the forum.


JoeNoctus
Friday 26 February 2010 - 17:59:13

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GandhiEgo says : Well, reading you I know you're pro-Burzum and Nothing I will ever write would change your mind. This is reciprocal.

Enjoy Belus. Be it Black Metal or not...

edit: by the way, though this is not a "musical" discussion per se, I'm glad we're having it. It's better than the usual chit chat going on in most parts of the forum.


"Pro-Burzum"

It's just music, it isn't a debate or a standpoint. It's just liking music or disliking, I think you're turning Burzum into more than it should be - Burzum is just a band, much like other bands. The contraversy may be stronger, but I tend to try and stay out of unnecessary drama - just stand back and watch it until it blows over.

There's Nothing really to change my mind on. If you can show me where he said what you claimed properly, then I'll agree with you. But my stand on his music won't change, it's still as good as it once was. But I'm saving judgement on Belus for when I've heard the actual CD, not a crappy leak.

Every album this year has somewhat disappointed me, some moreso than others - maybe this will pick up the standard. Or continue the trend, who knows.

(A bit of debate never Hurt anyone, and it can be very interesting as long as it is civilised, so I try my best to keep it that way and have a good debate with someone. It's not about winning or losing, it's about learning. . I'm always willing to admit I'm wrong, so if you do come up with the necessary proof, please post it! I care little the drama anyway, I'm a listener to music, not soap operas. :P)


Earine
Saturday 27 February 2010 - 06:08:06
I won't make any comments about the music, because I'm not much of a fan of Black Metal unless it has some Symphonic or Death elements into it. "Pure Black" or whatever you prefer to call it gets on my nerves so I'm writing this post to discuss other issues.

About the bad reputation... I don't know how are things in Norway or any nordic countries for that matter. At least in my country, it seems that Black Metal popularity increased mostly due to his doing. Most people I know who like this genre keep rambling about Vark and how much "iv0l and badda$$" he is, and how he burned "some fucking oppressive churches". Now, if these people should be called true metalheads or not, it's not for me to judge.

I also never read anything related to him not wanting to release another album. I know he complains a lot about how worthless the metal community has become and he compares these despicable metalheads to "niggas". Maybe he let go some steam somewhere about not releasing another album due to this statements, or because he doesn't want these people to Waste his music... I don't know, but it makes sense. He says a lot of controversial things anyway.

Some people are able to separate the metal passion from his actions and listen to his music without any problems. I, personally (call me vulgar if you want), don't think I would feel good supporting a musician who's guilty of a few situations I don't agree with. But that's up to our personalities, I guess. 


GandhiEgo
Saturday 27 February 2010 - 13:33:39


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Earine dit :
I also never read anything related to him not wanting to release another album.


That's not it. At least it's not accurate he said he had lost interest in Black Metal (so everyone was implicitly) expecting new ambiant stuff.

Oh well. I do own Aske from Burzum and I never enjoyed it. I may have played it like 10 times and gave up on it. But I did play a hundred times my Darkthrone or Impaled Nazarene cds.

So for me the equation is rather simple. I don't like his music nor do I like his antics. And also the fact that everything seems to contradict itself in The End when it comes to his own little persona.

Obviously, I'm not here to Judge people who like his music or not but the whole story around him and the fact that I believe his music is "poor" makes me a natural Varg hater.


edit: I also like to be a bit provocative because I'm appalled that on a metal forum, we seldom talk about music and Nothing beats controversy when it comes to having people talk.


JoeNoctus
Saturday 27 February 2010 - 17:59:53
Maybe you should give his other music a chance? Give Filosofem a listen. I can't say I was very excited over Aske.

GandhiEgo
Saturday 27 February 2010 - 21:35:03
You're not the first one to tell me to listen to Filosofem. I guess I ought to give it a try in the near future.


JoeNoctus
Sunday 28 February 2010 - 02:03:19
First half of that CD is amazing. Second half....Not so much, for me anyway.
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