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Mercenarion
Sunday 12 February 2012 - 04:55:52

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Enigmatick says : Merzbow's basically responsible for the Creation of the entire genre so it's valid enough.


No. Merzbow wasn't the first to experiment with noise as a basis for a genre. Lou Reed practiced this before him in 1975 and before that there were composers (e.g.: Iannis Xenakis, John Cage, Karlheinz Stockhausen, Pierre Schaeffer) who experimented with it (either proto-electronic music, musique concrete or some other post-modernist stuff).

And in regards to you saying Nothing separates good and bad noise, I can listen to Two different releases by Merzbow and notice a major difference in quality. Pulse Demon, for example, is really bland compared to an album like Antimonument or Venereology. But that's just my view on this issue.

Enigmatick
Sunday 12 February 2012 - 15:36:47
Figured I was probably talking out of my ass on that one since I haven't explored the noise genre, because, well, I dislike it. From what I've heard though, don't most noise bands basically take influence from Merzbow nowadays? Is the Creation of the noise genre kind of like the Creation of Black Metal in the sense that Mercyful Fate, Bathory and Celtic Frost kind of toyed with elements of the sound and then a bunch of weird Norwegians made it into what it is recognized as today?

and as for the good noise-bad noise thing, my query was that I can't really see what makes a good album any different than a bad one. All of the highly regarded albums I've heard have the exact same qualities as the Despised ones.


InfinityZero
Monday 13 February 2012 - 13:36:07

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Mercenarion says :
No. Merzbow wasn't the first to experiment with noise as a basis for a genre. Lou Reed practiced this before him in 1975 and before that there were composers (e.g.: Iannis Xenakis, John Cage, Karlheinz Stockhausen, Pierre Schaeffer) who experimented with it (either proto-electronic music, musique concrete or some other post-modernist stuff).
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Actually the first real noise artist was Luigi Russolo back in the 1910's... look him up.
Anyway, to contribute to this whole back-and-forth thing, I really have to say I prefer trippy avant-garde, surrealist and minimalist music to noise. Things like Darkspace and Sunn O))) and Earth and Echtra and some of Ulver's newer stuff, etc.


dsurasit
Monday 13 February 2012 - 16:30:54
I love this too.


Mercenarion
Monday 13 February 2012 - 22:29:19


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InfinityZero says :


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Mercenarion says :
No. Merzbow wasn't the first to experiment with noise as a basis for a genre. Lou Reed practiced this before him in 1975 and before that there were composers (e.g.: Iannis Xenakis, John Cage, Karlheinz Stockhausen, Pierre Schaeffer) who experimented with it (either proto-electronic music, musique concrete or some other post-modernist stuff).
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Actually the first real noise artist was Luigi Russolo back in the 1910's... look him up.
Anyway, to contribute to this whole back-and-forth thing, I really have to say I prefer trippy avant-garde, surrealist and minimalist music to noise. Things like Darkspace and Sunn O))) and Earth and Echtra and some of Ulver's newer stuff, etc.


I know that Luigi Russolo was the first, hence why I said composers who experimented with noise. I should have added an et cetera in that composers list to point that out.

InfinityZero
Friday 17 February 2012 - 19:58:26
Oh, okay. Anyway, I don't particularly like Russolo except for the initial novelty of the music, and sometimes I can get in the right mood...
I heard his live performances were incredibly atmospheric, though.

rockadelic
Thursday 22 March 2012 - 15:51:05
The worst topic would be to write a about the trials and tribulations society/the world has been facing Ever Since the Obnoxious Advent of Two of the most BADASS CULPRITS after Adolf Hitler........Thatcher and Reagan!!!....practically the Two RIGHT-WING CUNTS who started the fire in the 80s and culminating in the BIGGEST and MOST dangerous world crisis the world has Ever known....now wouldn't that be a badass topic for a band to sing/write about??!


Panzerjager
Thursday 22 March 2012 - 15:52:28

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rockadelic says : The worst topic would be to write a about the trials and tribulations society/the world has been facing Ever Since the Obnoxious Advent of Two of the most BADASS CULPRITS after Adolf Hitler........Thatcher and Reagan!!!....practically the Two RIGHT-WING CUNTS who started the fire in the 80s and culminating in the BIGGEST and MOST dangerous world crisis the world has Ever known....now wouldn't that be a badass topic for a band to sing/write about??!


welcome to the forums.... but why in bold blue?

rockadelic
Thursday 22 March 2012 - 15:54:19

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Panzerjager says :

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rockadelic says : The worst topic would be to write a about the trials and tribulations society/the world has been facing Ever Since the Obnoxious Advent of Two of the most BADASS CULPRITS after Adolf Hitler........Thatcher and Reagan!!!....practically the Two RIGHT-WING CUNTS who started the fire in the 80s and culminating in the BIGGEST and MOST dangerous world crisis the world has Ever known....now wouldn't that be a badass topic for a band to sing/write about??!


welcome to the forums.... but why in bold blue?


Hello...thanx, just to make it "nicer"...sorry


Panzerjager
Thursday 22 March 2012 - 15:56:44

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rockadelic says :

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Panzerjager says :


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rockadelic says : The worst topic would be to write a about the trials and tribulations society/the world has been facing Ever Since the Obnoxious Advent of Two of the most BADASS CULPRITS after Adolf Hitler........Thatcher and Reagan!!!....practically the Two RIGHT-WING CUNTS who started the fire in the 80s and culminating in the BIGGEST and MOST dangerous world crisis the world has Ever known....now wouldn't that be a badass topic for a band to sing/write about??!


welcome to the forums.... but why in bold blue?


Hello...thanx, just to make it "nicer"...sorry


No problem bro, enjoy your time here
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